Kurt Lichtenberg
Redmond, WA
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Law Degree
Awards
Primary Practice Area
Divorce and Family
Language
English
About
Family Law attorney Lichtenberg started practicing law in 1978. He worked with other firms before venturing out on his own in 1986. He graduated from the University of Washington School of Law in 1978 and became a member of the Washington State Bar Association that same year. He’s been a member of the Alaska Bar and Montana Bar and has successfully argued before the Washington State Supreme Court on two occasions. Angela Brooker, his paralegal, has been working for him for more than 20 years.
Practices Areas
Estate Planning
Divorce and separation
Family
Probate
Language
English
Contact
The Law Office of Kurt Lichtenberg16771 NE 80th StreetSuite 202Redmond, WA, 9805216771 NE 80th StreetSuite 202Suite 202Redmond, WA, 98052
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Website: N/AReviews
Kurt was great in handling my case that was highly contested to get my parent's estate settled. I consulted with him for legal advice. He gave excellent advice to get and keep the case moving in the right direction and defusing conflict in a legal way with great recommendations.
Kurt helped me with my divorce in 2015 and I was very happy with his advice and the way he handled the curve balls from the representatives of my ex-wife. I still consider Kurt my go to lawyer when I need it.
After pretending for six months that I was able to handle the technicalities of a divorce I was opposed to, I accepted reality and looked for representation. Kurt was one of two lawyers referred to me by an arbitrator. After scheduling two introductory interviews, I saw Kurt first and cancelled the second. His obvious facility with the law and decades of experience lead quickly to getting the paperwork aligned and a final divorce agreement agreed to. Through give and take, the parties agreed to a fair outcome. I would recommend Kurt without reservation.
Kurt has worked with me on legal issues for over 20 years. He is honest, reliable and told me what to expect at every turn. I would trust him on any issue. Anyone that says anything different did not listen to him. He will not sugar coat anything. He knows what he is talking about. He is not out to get rich, he works hard and respects his clients.
Kurt provide great advice, is very responsive, keep things simple and minimize red tape/overhead. I have been a client of his for more than 10 years.
I worked with Kurt on a family law matter that was highly contested. He anticipated virtually every move in the process and provided strong counsel throughout. Despite the many twists and turns of the case, he remained steadfast and the final settlement was very close to where we had initially anticipated it would be. You do have to review the written briefs closely to ensure that they represent your points prior to submission, but you should do that with any attorney.
Kurt was great in handling my case that was highly contested to get my parent's estate settled. I consulted with him for legal advice. He gave excellent advice to get and keep the case moving in the right direction and defusing conflict in a legal way with great recommendations.
Kurt helped me with my divorce in 2015 and I was very happy with his advice and the way he handled the curve balls from the representatives of my ex-wife. I still consider Kurt my go to lawyer when I need it.
After pretending for six months that I was able to handle the technicalities of a divorce I was opposed to, I accepted reality and looked for representation. Kurt was one of two lawyers referred to me by an arbitrator. After scheduling two introductory interviews, I saw Kurt first and cancelled the second. His obvious facility with the law and decades of experience lead quickly to getting the paperwork aligned and a final divorce agreement agreed to. Through give and take, the parties agreed to a fair outcome. I would recommend Kurt without reservation.
Kurt has worked with me on legal issues for over 20 years. He is honest, reliable and told me what to expect at every turn. I would trust him on any issue. Anyone that says anything different did not listen to him. He will not sugar coat anything. He knows what he is talking about. He is not out to get rich, he works hard and respects his clients.
Kurt provide great advice, is very responsive, keep things simple and minimize red tape/overhead. I have been a client of his for more than 10 years.
I worked with Kurt on a family law matter that was highly contested. He anticipated virtually every move in the process and provided strong counsel throughout. Despite the many twists and turns of the case, he remained steadfast and the final settlement was very close to where we had initially anticipated it would be. You do have to review the written briefs closely to ensure that they represent your points prior to submission, but you should do that with any attorney.
Kurt was great in handling my case that was highly contested to get my parent's estate settled. I consulted with him for legal advice. He gave excellent advice to get and keep the case moving in the right direction and defusing conflict in a legal way with great recommendations.
Kurt helped me with my divorce in 2015 and I was very happy with his advice and the way he handled the curve balls from the representatives of my ex-wife. I still consider Kurt my go to lawyer when I need it.
After pretending for six months that I was able to handle the technicalities of a divorce I was opposed to, I accepted reality and looked for representation. Kurt was one of two lawyers referred to me by an arbitrator. After scheduling two introductory interviews, I saw Kurt first and cancelled the second. His obvious facility with the law and decades of experience lead quickly to getting the paperwork aligned and a final divorce agreement agreed to. Through give and take, the parties agreed to a fair outcome. I would recommend Kurt without reservation.
Kurt has worked with me on legal issues for over 20 years. He is honest, reliable and told me what to expect at every turn. I would trust him on any issue. Anyone that says anything different did not listen to him. He will not sugar coat anything. He knows what he is talking about. He is not out to get rich, he works hard and respects his clients.
Kurt provide great advice, is very responsive, keep things simple and minimize red tape/overhead. I have been a client of his for more than 10 years.
I worked with Kurt on a family law matter that was highly contested. He anticipated virtually every move in the process and provided strong counsel throughout. Despite the many twists and turns of the case, he remained steadfast and the final settlement was very close to where we had initially anticipated it would be. You do have to review the written briefs closely to ensure that they represent your points prior to submission, but you should do that with any attorney.
Kurt was great in handling my case that was highly contested to get my parent's estate settled. I consulted with him for legal advice. He gave excellent advice to get and keep the case moving in the right direction and defusing conflict in a legal way with great recommendations.
Kurt helped me with my divorce in 2015 and I was very happy with his advice and the way he handled the curve balls from the representatives of my ex-wife. I still consider Kurt my go to lawyer when I need it.
After pretending for six months that I was able to handle the technicalities of a divorce I was opposed to, I accepted reality and looked for representation. Kurt was one of two lawyers referred to me by an arbitrator. After scheduling two introductory interviews, I saw Kurt first and cancelled the second. His obvious facility with the law and decades of experience lead quickly to getting the paperwork aligned and a final divorce agreement agreed to. Through give and take, the parties agreed to a fair outcome. I would recommend Kurt without reservation.
Kurt has worked with me on legal issues for over 20 years. He is honest, reliable and told me what to expect at every turn. I would trust him on any issue. Anyone that says anything different did not listen to him. He will not sugar coat anything. He knows what he is talking about. He is not out to get rich, he works hard and respects his clients.
Kurt provide great advice, is very responsive, keep things simple and minimize red tape/overhead. I have been a client of his for more than 10 years.
I worked with Kurt on a family law matter that was highly contested. He anticipated virtually every move in the process and provided strong counsel throughout. Despite the many twists and turns of the case, he remained steadfast and the final settlement was very close to where we had initially anticipated it would be. You do have to review the written briefs closely to ensure that they represent your points prior to submission, but you should do that with any attorney.
Kurt was great in handling my case that was highly contested to get my parent's estate settled. I consulted with him for legal advice. He gave excellent advice to get and keep the case moving in the right direction and defusing conflict in a legal way with great recommendations.
Kurt helped me with my divorce in 2015 and I was very happy with his advice and the way he handled the curve balls from the representatives of my ex-wife. I still consider Kurt my go to lawyer when I need it.
After pretending for six months that I was able to handle the technicalities of a divorce I was opposed to, I accepted reality and looked for representation. Kurt was one of two lawyers referred to me by an arbitrator. After scheduling two introductory interviews, I saw Kurt first and cancelled the second. His obvious facility with the law and decades of experience lead quickly to getting the paperwork aligned and a final divorce agreement agreed to. Through give and take, the parties agreed to a fair outcome. I would recommend Kurt without reservation.
Kurt has worked with me on legal issues for over 20 years. He is honest, reliable and told me what to expect at every turn. I would trust him on any issue. Anyone that says anything different did not listen to him. He will not sugar coat anything. He knows what he is talking about. He is not out to get rich, he works hard and respects his clients.
Kurt provide great advice, is very responsive, keep things simple and minimize red tape/overhead. I have been a client of his for more than 10 years.
I worked with Kurt on a family law matter that was highly contested. He anticipated virtually every move in the process and provided strong counsel throughout. Despite the many twists and turns of the case, he remained steadfast and the final settlement was very close to where we had initially anticipated it would be. You do have to review the written briefs closely to ensure that they represent your points prior to submission, but you should do that with any attorney.
Kurt was great in handling my case that was highly contested to get my parent's estate settled. I consulted with him for legal advice. He gave excellent advice to get and keep the case moving in the right direction and defusing conflict in a legal way with great recommendations.
Kurt helped me with my divorce in 2015 and I was very happy with his advice and the way he handled the curve balls from the representatives of my ex-wife. I still consider Kurt my go to lawyer when I need it.
After pretending for six months that I was able to handle the technicalities of a divorce I was opposed to, I accepted reality and looked for representation. Kurt was one of two lawyers referred to me by an arbitrator. After scheduling two introductory interviews, I saw Kurt first and cancelled the second. His obvious facility with the law and decades of experience lead quickly to getting the paperwork aligned and a final divorce agreement agreed to. Through give and take, the parties agreed to a fair outcome. I would recommend Kurt without reservation.
Kurt has worked with me on legal issues for over 20 years. He is honest, reliable and told me what to expect at every turn. I would trust him on any issue. Anyone that says anything different did not listen to him. He will not sugar coat anything. He knows what he is talking about. He is not out to get rich, he works hard and respects his clients.
Kurt provide great advice, is very responsive, keep things simple and minimize red tape/overhead. I have been a client of his for more than 10 years.
I worked with Kurt on a family law matter that was highly contested. He anticipated virtually every move in the process and provided strong counsel throughout. Despite the many twists and turns of the case, he remained steadfast and the final settlement was very close to where we had initially anticipated it would be. You do have to review the written briefs closely to ensure that they represent your points prior to submission, but you should do that with any attorney.
Kurt was great in handling my case that was highly contested to get my parent's estate settled. I consulted with him for legal advice. He gave excellent advice to get and keep the case moving in the right direction and defusing conflict in a legal way with great recommendations.
Kurt helped me with my divorce in 2015 and I was very happy with his advice and the way he handled the curve balls from the representatives of my ex-wife. I still consider Kurt my go to lawyer when I need it.
After pretending for six months that I was able to handle the technicalities of a divorce I was opposed to, I accepted reality and looked for representation. Kurt was one of two lawyers referred to me by an arbitrator. After scheduling two introductory interviews, I saw Kurt first and cancelled the second. His obvious facility with the law and decades of experience lead quickly to getting the paperwork aligned and a final divorce agreement agreed to. Through give and take, the parties agreed to a fair outcome. I would recommend Kurt without reservation.
Kurt has worked with me on legal issues for over 20 years. He is honest, reliable and told me what to expect at every turn. I would trust him on any issue. Anyone that says anything different did not listen to him. He will not sugar coat anything. He knows what he is talking about. He is not out to get rich, he works hard and respects his clients.
Kurt provide great advice, is very responsive, keep things simple and minimize red tape/overhead. I have been a client of his for more than 10 years.
I worked with Kurt on a family law matter that was highly contested. He anticipated virtually every move in the process and provided strong counsel throughout. Despite the many twists and turns of the case, he remained steadfast and the final settlement was very close to where we had initially anticipated it would be. You do have to review the written briefs closely to ensure that they represent your points prior to submission, but you should do that with any attorney.
Kurt was great in handling my case that was highly contested to get my parent's estate settled. I consulted with him for legal advice. He gave excellent advice to get and keep the case moving in the right direction and defusing conflict in a legal way with great recommendations.
Kurt helped me with my divorce in 2015 and I was very happy with his advice and the way he handled the curve balls from the representatives of my ex-wife. I still consider Kurt my go to lawyer when I need it.
After pretending for six months that I was able to handle the technicalities of a divorce I was opposed to, I accepted reality and looked for representation. Kurt was one of two lawyers referred to me by an arbitrator. After scheduling two introductory interviews, I saw Kurt first and cancelled the second. His obvious facility with the law and decades of experience lead quickly to getting the paperwork aligned and a final divorce agreement agreed to. Through give and take, the parties agreed to a fair outcome. I would recommend Kurt without reservation.
Kurt has worked with me on legal issues for over 20 years. He is honest, reliable and told me what to expect at every turn. I would trust him on any issue. Anyone that says anything different did not listen to him. He will not sugar coat anything. He knows what he is talking about. He is not out to get rich, he works hard and respects his clients.
Kurt provide great advice, is very responsive, keep things simple and minimize red tape/overhead. I have been a client of his for more than 10 years.
I worked with Kurt on a family law matter that was highly contested. He anticipated virtually every move in the process and provided strong counsel throughout. Despite the many twists and turns of the case, he remained steadfast and the final settlement was very close to where we had initially anticipated it would be. You do have to review the written briefs closely to ensure that they represent your points prior to submission, but you should do that with any attorney.
Kurt was great in handling my case that was highly contested to get my parent's estate settled. I consulted with him for legal advice. He gave excellent advice to get and keep the case moving in the right direction and defusing conflict in a legal way with great recommendations.
Kurt helped me with my divorce in 2015 and I was very happy with his advice and the way he handled the curve balls from the representatives of my ex-wife. I still consider Kurt my go to lawyer when I need it.
After pretending for six months that I was able to handle the technicalities of a divorce I was opposed to, I accepted reality and looked for representation. Kurt was one of two lawyers referred to me by an arbitrator. After scheduling two introductory interviews, I saw Kurt first and cancelled the second. His obvious facility with the law and decades of experience lead quickly to getting the paperwork aligned and a final divorce agreement agreed to. Through give and take, the parties agreed to a fair outcome. I would recommend Kurt without reservation.
Kurt has worked with me on legal issues for over 20 years. He is honest, reliable and told me what to expect at every turn. I would trust him on any issue. Anyone that says anything different did not listen to him. He will not sugar coat anything. He knows what he is talking about. He is not out to get rich, he works hard and respects his clients.
Kurt provide great advice, is very responsive, keep things simple and minimize red tape/overhead. I have been a client of his for more than 10 years.
I worked with Kurt on a family law matter that was highly contested. He anticipated virtually every move in the process and provided strong counsel throughout. Despite the many twists and turns of the case, he remained steadfast and the final settlement was very close to where we had initially anticipated it would be. You do have to review the written briefs closely to ensure that they represent your points prior to submission, but you should do that with any attorney.
Kurt was great in handling my case that was highly contested to get my parent's estate settled. I consulted with him for legal advice. He gave excellent advice to get and keep the case moving in the right direction and defusing conflict in a legal way with great recommendations.
Kurt helped me with my divorce in 2015 and I was very happy with his advice and the way he handled the curve balls from the representatives of my ex-wife. I still consider Kurt my go to lawyer when I need it.
After pretending for six months that I was able to handle the technicalities of a divorce I was opposed to, I accepted reality and looked for representation. Kurt was one of two lawyers referred to me by an arbitrator. After scheduling two introductory interviews, I saw Kurt first and cancelled the second. His obvious facility with the law and decades of experience lead quickly to getting the paperwork aligned and a final divorce agreement agreed to. Through give and take, the parties agreed to a fair outcome. I would recommend Kurt without reservation.
Kurt has worked with me on legal issues for over 20 years. He is honest, reliable and told me what to expect at every turn. I would trust him on any issue. Anyone that says anything different did not listen to him. He will not sugar coat anything. He knows what he is talking about. He is not out to get rich, he works hard and respects his clients.
Kurt provide great advice, is very responsive, keep things simple and minimize red tape/overhead. I have been a client of his for more than 10 years.
I worked with Kurt on a family law matter that was highly contested. He anticipated virtually every move in the process and provided strong counsel throughout. Despite the many twists and turns of the case, he remained steadfast and the final settlement was very close to where we had initially anticipated it would be. You do have to review the written briefs closely to ensure that they represent your points prior to submission, but you should do that with any attorney.
Kurt was great in handling my case that was highly contested to get my parent's estate settled. I consulted with him for legal advice. He gave excellent advice to get and keep the case moving in the right direction and defusing conflict in a legal way with great recommendations.
Kurt helped me with my divorce in 2015 and I was very happy with his advice and the way he handled the curve balls from the representatives of my ex-wife. I still consider Kurt my go to lawyer when I need it.
After pretending for six months that I was able to handle the technicalities of a divorce I was opposed to, I accepted reality and looked for representation. Kurt was one of two lawyers referred to me by an arbitrator. After scheduling two introductory interviews, I saw Kurt first and cancelled the second. His obvious facility with the law and decades of experience lead quickly to getting the paperwork aligned and a final divorce agreement agreed to. Through give and take, the parties agreed to a fair outcome. I would recommend Kurt without reservation.
Kurt has worked with me on legal issues for over 20 years. He is honest, reliable and told me what to expect at every turn. I would trust him on any issue. Anyone that says anything different did not listen to him. He will not sugar coat anything. He knows what he is talking about. He is not out to get rich, he works hard and respects his clients.
Kurt provide great advice, is very responsive, keep things simple and minimize red tape/overhead. I have been a client of his for more than 10 years.
I worked with Kurt on a family law matter that was highly contested. He anticipated virtually every move in the process and provided strong counsel throughout. Despite the many twists and turns of the case, he remained steadfast and the final settlement was very close to where we had initially anticipated it would be. You do have to review the written briefs closely to ensure that they represent your points prior to submission, but you should do that with any attorney.
Kurt was great in handling my case that was highly contested to get my parent's estate settled. I consulted with him for legal advice. He gave excellent advice to get and keep the case moving in the right direction and defusing conflict in a legal way with great recommendations.
Kurt helped me with my divorce in 2015 and I was very happy with his advice and the way he handled the curve balls from the representatives of my ex-wife. I still consider Kurt my go to lawyer when I need it.
After pretending for six months that I was able to handle the technicalities of a divorce I was opposed to, I accepted reality and looked for representation. Kurt was one of two lawyers referred to me by an arbitrator. After scheduling two introductory interviews, I saw Kurt first and cancelled the second. His obvious facility with the law and decades of experience lead quickly to getting the paperwork aligned and a final divorce agreement agreed to. Through give and take, the parties agreed to a fair outcome. I would recommend Kurt without reservation.
Kurt has worked with me on legal issues for over 20 years. He is honest, reliable and told me what to expect at every turn. I would trust him on any issue. Anyone that says anything different did not listen to him. He will not sugar coat anything. He knows what he is talking about. He is not out to get rich, he works hard and respects his clients.
Kurt provide great advice, is very responsive, keep things simple and minimize red tape/overhead. I have been a client of his for more than 10 years.
I worked with Kurt on a family law matter that was highly contested. He anticipated virtually every move in the process and provided strong counsel throughout. Despite the many twists and turns of the case, he remained steadfast and the final settlement was very close to where we had initially anticipated it would be. You do have to review the written briefs closely to ensure that they represent your points prior to submission, but you should do that with any attorney.
Kurt was great in handling my case that was highly contested to get my parent's estate settled. I consulted with him for legal advice. He gave excellent advice to get and keep the case moving in the right direction and defusing conflict in a legal way with great recommendations.
Kurt helped me with my divorce in 2015 and I was very happy with his advice and the way he handled the curve balls from the representatives of my ex-wife. I still consider Kurt my go to lawyer when I need it.
After pretending for six months that I was able to handle the technicalities of a divorce I was opposed to, I accepted reality and looked for representation. Kurt was one of two lawyers referred to me by an arbitrator. After scheduling two introductory interviews, I saw Kurt first and cancelled the second. His obvious facility with the law and decades of experience lead quickly to getting the paperwork aligned and a final divorce agreement agreed to. Through give and take, the parties agreed to a fair outcome. I would recommend Kurt without reservation.
Kurt has worked with me on legal issues for over 20 years. He is honest, reliable and told me what to expect at every turn. I would trust him on any issue. Anyone that says anything different did not listen to him. He will not sugar coat anything. He knows what he is talking about. He is not out to get rich, he works hard and respects his clients.
Kurt provide great advice, is very responsive, keep things simple and minimize red tape/overhead. I have been a client of his for more than 10 years.
I worked with Kurt on a family law matter that was highly contested. He anticipated virtually every move in the process and provided strong counsel throughout. Despite the many twists and turns of the case, he remained steadfast and the final settlement was very close to where we had initially anticipated it would be. You do have to review the written briefs closely to ensure that they represent your points prior to submission, but you should do that with any attorney.
Kurt was great in handling my case that was highly contested to get my parent's estate settled. I consulted with him for legal advice. He gave excellent advice to get and keep the case moving in the right direction and defusing conflict in a legal way with great recommendations.
Kurt helped me with my divorce in 2015 and I was very happy with his advice and the way he handled the curve balls from the representatives of my ex-wife. I still consider Kurt my go to lawyer when I need it.
After pretending for six months that I was able to handle the technicalities of a divorce I was opposed to, I accepted reality and looked for representation. Kurt was one of two lawyers referred to me by an arbitrator. After scheduling two introductory interviews, I saw Kurt first and cancelled the second. His obvious facility with the law and decades of experience lead quickly to getting the paperwork aligned and a final divorce agreement agreed to. Through give and take, the parties agreed to a fair outcome. I would recommend Kurt without reservation.
Kurt has worked with me on legal issues for over 20 years. He is honest, reliable and told me what to expect at every turn. I would trust him on any issue. Anyone that says anything different did not listen to him. He will not sugar coat anything. He knows what he is talking about. He is not out to get rich, he works hard and respects his clients.
Kurt provide great advice, is very responsive, keep things simple and minimize red tape/overhead. I have been a client of his for more than 10 years.
I worked with Kurt on a family law matter that was highly contested. He anticipated virtually every move in the process and provided strong counsel throughout. Despite the many twists and turns of the case, he remained steadfast and the final settlement was very close to where we had initially anticipated it would be. You do have to review the written briefs closely to ensure that they represent your points prior to submission, but you should do that with any attorney.
Kurt was great in handling my case that was highly contested to get my parent's estate settled. I consulted with him for legal advice. He gave excellent advice to get and keep the case moving in the right direction and defusing conflict in a legal way with great recommendations.
Kurt helped me with my divorce in 2015 and I was very happy with his advice and the way he handled the curve balls from the representatives of my ex-wife. I still consider Kurt my go to lawyer when I need it.
After pretending for six months that I was able to handle the technicalities of a divorce I was opposed to, I accepted reality and looked for representation. Kurt was one of two lawyers referred to me by an arbitrator. After scheduling two introductory interviews, I saw Kurt first and cancelled the second. His obvious facility with the law and decades of experience lead quickly to getting the paperwork aligned and a final divorce agreement agreed to. Through give and take, the parties agreed to a fair outcome. I would recommend Kurt without reservation.
Kurt has worked with me on legal issues for over 20 years. He is honest, reliable and told me what to expect at every turn. I would trust him on any issue. Anyone that says anything different did not listen to him. He will not sugar coat anything. He knows what he is talking about. He is not out to get rich, he works hard and respects his clients.
Kurt provide great advice, is very responsive, keep things simple and minimize red tape/overhead. I have been a client of his for more than 10 years.
I worked with Kurt on a family law matter that was highly contested. He anticipated virtually every move in the process and provided strong counsel throughout. Despite the many twists and turns of the case, he remained steadfast and the final settlement was very close to where we had initially anticipated it would be. You do have to review the written briefs closely to ensure that they represent your points prior to submission, but you should do that with any attorney.
Kurt was great in handling my case that was highly contested to get my parent's estate settled. I consulted with him for legal advice. He gave excellent advice to get and keep the case moving in the right direction and defusing conflict in a legal way with great recommendations.
Kurt helped me with my divorce in 2015 and I was very happy with his advice and the way he handled the curve balls from the representatives of my ex-wife. I still consider Kurt my go to lawyer when I need it.
After pretending for six months that I was able to handle the technicalities of a divorce I was opposed to, I accepted reality and looked for representation. Kurt was one of two lawyers referred to me by an arbitrator. After scheduling two introductory interviews, I saw Kurt first and cancelled the second. His obvious facility with the law and decades of experience lead quickly to getting the paperwork aligned and a final divorce agreement agreed to. Through give and take, the parties agreed to a fair outcome. I would recommend Kurt without reservation.
Kurt has worked with me on legal issues for over 20 years. He is honest, reliable and told me what to expect at every turn. I would trust him on any issue. Anyone that says anything different did not listen to him. He will not sugar coat anything. He knows what he is talking about. He is not out to get rich, he works hard and respects his clients.
Kurt provide great advice, is very responsive, keep things simple and minimize red tape/overhead. I have been a client of his for more than 10 years.
I worked with Kurt on a family law matter that was highly contested. He anticipated virtually every move in the process and provided strong counsel throughout. Despite the many twists and turns of the case, he remained steadfast and the final settlement was very close to where we had initially anticipated it would be. You do have to review the written briefs closely to ensure that they represent your points prior to submission, but you should do that with any attorney.