I hired Kassi Horner as my divorce attorney in 2013. I am writing this review because my experience with her is completely different from the other 2 reviews on the website. Ms Horner was extremely response and covered all of the detail of the divorce in a timely manner. She also added a precautionary component to the divorce suite that had not occurred to me.

I hired Kassi Horner to handle a custody issue. I went in and asked her if she would be an aggressive attorney which is what I wanted and needed. She said yes I felt confident that she would get the job done. I signed all paper work and paid the retainer well in the paper work was apparently a non-refundable retainer agreement. ( I did not know this). It would take 5-6 calls to finally get her on the phone to find out what was going on. Every time I talked to her she would say she was just waiting on the other attorney. That was the response I got every time I finally got her on the phone. Another issue came up where I needed an attorney asap and against my better judgement I called Mrs. Horner and the only reason I did that is because she had over $1800 of my original retainer. I spoke to her told her the issue and she said she could help but I would have to put down another $3000 retainer…I asked why because she had the rest of the original retainer. She said it was a new case and I couldn’t use it. I was told that the original retainer could only be used on the one case. I tried to call Mrs Horner 4 times to let her know of a meeting with my daughter’s dad ( the first custody case which the retainer was paid on)and his attorney she never responded so I ended up meeting with them by myself and settling everything. When asked if I could get the retainer back she said no. So now they are holding over $1800 of a $3000 retainer (goes to show how much work was not done in a year). Stay away!!!

I retained Ms. Horner to represent me in a case to modify my divorce decree which was a motion filed by my ex-husband. Later this case turned into a child custody hearing. During that time Ms. Horner was extremely difficult to correspond with or reach by phone. When the case turned into a child custody case, Ms. Horner assured me that my ex-husband was NOT trying to get custody of my child. He was simply using that as a "threat" in order to get what he really wanted which was to change our meeting place for visitation. She claims to be "child custody" attorney so I trusted her to know what she was talking about. SHE WAS WRONG!! The few times I was able to reach her, she consistently gave poor counsel and in the end did not accomplish the job she was hired to do. I ended up having to hire another attorney and thankfully won my case. The judge ordered Ms. Horner to turn over all original documents to me which she never did. I had to pay my new attorney to retrieve them from the Peterson Law Office on my behalf. To sum this all up, she would be the very last person I would seek help from in a legal matter. The only reasons to hire her are if you aren't serious about winning your case, if you have thousands of dollars to throw out the window, and if you have plenty of time to waste.

I hired Kassi Horner as my divorce attorney in 2013. I am writing this review because my experience with her is completely different from the other 2 reviews on the website. Ms Horner was extremely response and covered all of the detail of the divorce in a timely manner. She also added a precautionary component to the divorce suite that had not occurred to me.

I hired Kassi Horner to handle a custody issue. I went in and asked her if she would be an aggressive attorney which is what I wanted and needed. She said yes I felt confident that she would get the job done. I signed all paper work and paid the retainer well in the paper work was apparently a non-refundable retainer agreement. ( I did not know this). It would take 5-6 calls to finally get her on the phone to find out what was going on. Every time I talked to her she would say she was just waiting on the other attorney. That was the response I got every time I finally got her on the phone. Another issue came up where I needed an attorney asap and against my better judgement I called Mrs. Horner and the only reason I did that is because she had over $1800 of my original retainer. I spoke to her told her the issue and she said she could help but I would have to put down another $3000 retainer…I asked why because she had the rest of the original retainer. She said it was a new case and I couldn’t use it. I was told that the original retainer could only be used on the one case. I tried to call Mrs Horner 4 times to let her know of a meeting with my daughter’s dad ( the first custody case which the retainer was paid on)and his attorney she never responded so I ended up meeting with them by myself and settling everything. When asked if I could get the retainer back she said no. So now they are holding over $1800 of a $3000 retainer (goes to show how much work was not done in a year). Stay away!!!

I retained Ms. Horner to represent me in a case to modify my divorce decree which was a motion filed by my ex-husband. Later this case turned into a child custody hearing. During that time Ms. Horner was extremely difficult to correspond with or reach by phone. When the case turned into a child custody case, Ms. Horner assured me that my ex-husband was NOT trying to get custody of my child. He was simply using that as a "threat" in order to get what he really wanted which was to change our meeting place for visitation. She claims to be "child custody" attorney so I trusted her to know what she was talking about. SHE WAS WRONG!! The few times I was able to reach her, she consistently gave poor counsel and in the end did not accomplish the job she was hired to do. I ended up having to hire another attorney and thankfully won my case. The judge ordered Ms. Horner to turn over all original documents to me which she never did. I had to pay my new attorney to retrieve them from the Peterson Law Office on my behalf. To sum this all up, she would be the very last person I would seek help from in a legal matter. The only reasons to hire her are if you aren't serious about winning your case, if you have thousands of dollars to throw out the window, and if you have plenty of time to waste.

I hired Kassi Horner as my divorce attorney in 2013. I am writing this review because my experience with her is completely different from the other 2 reviews on the website. Ms Horner was extremely response and covered all of the detail of the divorce in a timely manner. She also added a precautionary component to the divorce suite that had not occurred to me.

I hired Kassi Horner to handle a custody issue. I went in and asked her if she would be an aggressive attorney which is what I wanted and needed. She said yes I felt confident that she would get the job done. I signed all paper work and paid the retainer well in the paper work was apparently a non-refundable retainer agreement. ( I did not know this). It would take 5-6 calls to finally get her on the phone to find out what was going on. Every time I talked to her she would say she was just waiting on the other attorney. That was the response I got every time I finally got her on the phone. Another issue came up where I needed an attorney asap and against my better judgement I called Mrs. Horner and the only reason I did that is because she had over $1800 of my original retainer. I spoke to her told her the issue and she said she could help but I would have to put down another $3000 retainer…I asked why because she had the rest of the original retainer. She said it was a new case and I couldn’t use it. I was told that the original retainer could only be used on the one case. I tried to call Mrs Horner 4 times to let her know of a meeting with my daughter’s dad ( the first custody case which the retainer was paid on)and his attorney she never responded so I ended up meeting with them by myself and settling everything. When asked if I could get the retainer back she said no. So now they are holding over $1800 of a $3000 retainer (goes to show how much work was not done in a year). Stay away!!!

I retained Ms. Horner to represent me in a case to modify my divorce decree which was a motion filed by my ex-husband. Later this case turned into a child custody hearing. During that time Ms. Horner was extremely difficult to correspond with or reach by phone. When the case turned into a child custody case, Ms. Horner assured me that my ex-husband was NOT trying to get custody of my child. He was simply using that as a "threat" in order to get what he really wanted which was to change our meeting place for visitation. She claims to be "child custody" attorney so I trusted her to know what she was talking about. SHE WAS WRONG!! The few times I was able to reach her, she consistently gave poor counsel and in the end did not accomplish the job she was hired to do. I ended up having to hire another attorney and thankfully won my case. The judge ordered Ms. Horner to turn over all original documents to me which she never did. I had to pay my new attorney to retrieve them from the Peterson Law Office on my behalf. To sum this all up, she would be the very last person I would seek help from in a legal matter. The only reasons to hire her are if you aren't serious about winning your case, if you have thousands of dollars to throw out the window, and if you have plenty of time to waste.

I hired Kassi Horner as my divorce attorney in 2013. I am writing this review because my experience with her is completely different from the other 2 reviews on the website. Ms Horner was extremely response and covered all of the detail of the divorce in a timely manner. She also added a precautionary component to the divorce suite that had not occurred to me.

I hired Kassi Horner to handle a custody issue. I went in and asked her if she would be an aggressive attorney which is what I wanted and needed. She said yes I felt confident that she would get the job done. I signed all paper work and paid the retainer well in the paper work was apparently a non-refundable retainer agreement. ( I did not know this). It would take 5-6 calls to finally get her on the phone to find out what was going on. Every time I talked to her she would say she was just waiting on the other attorney. That was the response I got every time I finally got her on the phone. Another issue came up where I needed an attorney asap and against my better judgement I called Mrs. Horner and the only reason I did that is because she had over $1800 of my original retainer. I spoke to her told her the issue and she said she could help but I would have to put down another $3000 retainer…I asked why because she had the rest of the original retainer. She said it was a new case and I couldn’t use it. I was told that the original retainer could only be used on the one case. I tried to call Mrs Horner 4 times to let her know of a meeting with my daughter’s dad ( the first custody case which the retainer was paid on)and his attorney she never responded so I ended up meeting with them by myself and settling everything. When asked if I could get the retainer back she said no. So now they are holding over $1800 of a $3000 retainer (goes to show how much work was not done in a year). Stay away!!!

I retained Ms. Horner to represent me in a case to modify my divorce decree which was a motion filed by my ex-husband. Later this case turned into a child custody hearing. During that time Ms. Horner was extremely difficult to correspond with or reach by phone. When the case turned into a child custody case, Ms. Horner assured me that my ex-husband was NOT trying to get custody of my child. He was simply using that as a "threat" in order to get what he really wanted which was to change our meeting place for visitation. She claims to be "child custody" attorney so I trusted her to know what she was talking about. SHE WAS WRONG!! The few times I was able to reach her, she consistently gave poor counsel and in the end did not accomplish the job she was hired to do. I ended up having to hire another attorney and thankfully won my case. The judge ordered Ms. Horner to turn over all original documents to me which she never did. I had to pay my new attorney to retrieve them from the Peterson Law Office on my behalf. To sum this all up, she would be the very last person I would seek help from in a legal matter. The only reasons to hire her are if you aren't serious about winning your case, if you have thousands of dollars to throw out the window, and if you have plenty of time to waste.

I hired Kassi Horner as my divorce attorney in 2013. I am writing this review because my experience with her is completely different from the other 2 reviews on the website. Ms Horner was extremely response and covered all of the detail of the divorce in a timely manner. She also added a precautionary component to the divorce suite that had not occurred to me.

I hired Kassi Horner to handle a custody issue. I went in and asked her if she would be an aggressive attorney which is what I wanted and needed. She said yes I felt confident that she would get the job done. I signed all paper work and paid the retainer well in the paper work was apparently a non-refundable retainer agreement. ( I did not know this). It would take 5-6 calls to finally get her on the phone to find out what was going on. Every time I talked to her she would say she was just waiting on the other attorney. That was the response I got every time I finally got her on the phone. Another issue came up where I needed an attorney asap and against my better judgement I called Mrs. Horner and the only reason I did that is because she had over $1800 of my original retainer. I spoke to her told her the issue and she said she could help but I would have to put down another $3000 retainer…I asked why because she had the rest of the original retainer. She said it was a new case and I couldn’t use it. I was told that the original retainer could only be used on the one case. I tried to call Mrs Horner 4 times to let her know of a meeting with my daughter’s dad ( the first custody case which the retainer was paid on)and his attorney she never responded so I ended up meeting with them by myself and settling everything. When asked if I could get the retainer back she said no. So now they are holding over $1800 of a $3000 retainer (goes to show how much work was not done in a year). Stay away!!!

I retained Ms. Horner to represent me in a case to modify my divorce decree which was a motion filed by my ex-husband. Later this case turned into a child custody hearing. During that time Ms. Horner was extremely difficult to correspond with or reach by phone. When the case turned into a child custody case, Ms. Horner assured me that my ex-husband was NOT trying to get custody of my child. He was simply using that as a "threat" in order to get what he really wanted which was to change our meeting place for visitation. She claims to be "child custody" attorney so I trusted her to know what she was talking about. SHE WAS WRONG!! The few times I was able to reach her, she consistently gave poor counsel and in the end did not accomplish the job she was hired to do. I ended up having to hire another attorney and thankfully won my case. The judge ordered Ms. Horner to turn over all original documents to me which she never did. I had to pay my new attorney to retrieve them from the Peterson Law Office on my behalf. To sum this all up, she would be the very last person I would seek help from in a legal matter. The only reasons to hire her are if you aren't serious about winning your case, if you have thousands of dollars to throw out the window, and if you have plenty of time to waste.

I hired Kassi Horner as my divorce attorney in 2013. I am writing this review because my experience with her is completely different from the other 2 reviews on the website. Ms Horner was extremely response and covered all of the detail of the divorce in a timely manner. She also added a precautionary component to the divorce suite that had not occurred to me.

I hired Kassi Horner to handle a custody issue. I went in and asked her if she would be an aggressive attorney which is what I wanted and needed. She said yes I felt confident that she would get the job done. I signed all paper work and paid the retainer well in the paper work was apparently a non-refundable retainer agreement. ( I did not know this). It would take 5-6 calls to finally get her on the phone to find out what was going on. Every time I talked to her she would say she was just waiting on the other attorney. That was the response I got every time I finally got her on the phone. Another issue came up where I needed an attorney asap and against my better judgement I called Mrs. Horner and the only reason I did that is because she had over $1800 of my original retainer. I spoke to her told her the issue and she said she could help but I would have to put down another $3000 retainer…I asked why because she had the rest of the original retainer. She said it was a new case and I couldn’t use it. I was told that the original retainer could only be used on the one case. I tried to call Mrs Horner 4 times to let her know of a meeting with my daughter’s dad ( the first custody case which the retainer was paid on)and his attorney she never responded so I ended up meeting with them by myself and settling everything. When asked if I could get the retainer back she said no. So now they are holding over $1800 of a $3000 retainer (goes to show how much work was not done in a year). Stay away!!!

I retained Ms. Horner to represent me in a case to modify my divorce decree which was a motion filed by my ex-husband. Later this case turned into a child custody hearing. During that time Ms. Horner was extremely difficult to correspond with or reach by phone. When the case turned into a child custody case, Ms. Horner assured me that my ex-husband was NOT trying to get custody of my child. He was simply using that as a "threat" in order to get what he really wanted which was to change our meeting place for visitation. She claims to be "child custody" attorney so I trusted her to know what she was talking about. SHE WAS WRONG!! The few times I was able to reach her, she consistently gave poor counsel and in the end did not accomplish the job she was hired to do. I ended up having to hire another attorney and thankfully won my case. The judge ordered Ms. Horner to turn over all original documents to me which she never did. I had to pay my new attorney to retrieve them from the Peterson Law Office on my behalf. To sum this all up, she would be the very last person I would seek help from in a legal matter. The only reasons to hire her are if you aren't serious about winning your case, if you have thousands of dollars to throw out the window, and if you have plenty of time to waste.

I hired Kassi Horner as my divorce attorney in 2013. I am writing this review because my experience with her is completely different from the other 2 reviews on the website. Ms Horner was extremely response and covered all of the detail of the divorce in a timely manner. She also added a precautionary component to the divorce suite that had not occurred to me.

I hired Kassi Horner to handle a custody issue. I went in and asked her if she would be an aggressive attorney which is what I wanted and needed. She said yes I felt confident that she would get the job done. I signed all paper work and paid the retainer well in the paper work was apparently a non-refundable retainer agreement. ( I did not know this). It would take 5-6 calls to finally get her on the phone to find out what was going on. Every time I talked to her she would say she was just waiting on the other attorney. That was the response I got every time I finally got her on the phone. Another issue came up where I needed an attorney asap and against my better judgement I called Mrs. Horner and the only reason I did that is because she had over $1800 of my original retainer. I spoke to her told her the issue and she said she could help but I would have to put down another $3000 retainer…I asked why because she had the rest of the original retainer. She said it was a new case and I couldn’t use it. I was told that the original retainer could only be used on the one case. I tried to call Mrs Horner 4 times to let her know of a meeting with my daughter’s dad ( the first custody case which the retainer was paid on)and his attorney she never responded so I ended up meeting with them by myself and settling everything. When asked if I could get the retainer back she said no. So now they are holding over $1800 of a $3000 retainer (goes to show how much work was not done in a year). Stay away!!!

I retained Ms. Horner to represent me in a case to modify my divorce decree which was a motion filed by my ex-husband. Later this case turned into a child custody hearing. During that time Ms. Horner was extremely difficult to correspond with or reach by phone. When the case turned into a child custody case, Ms. Horner assured me that my ex-husband was NOT trying to get custody of my child. He was simply using that as a "threat" in order to get what he really wanted which was to change our meeting place for visitation. She claims to be "child custody" attorney so I trusted her to know what she was talking about. SHE WAS WRONG!! The few times I was able to reach her, she consistently gave poor counsel and in the end did not accomplish the job she was hired to do. I ended up having to hire another attorney and thankfully won my case. The judge ordered Ms. Horner to turn over all original documents to me which she never did. I had to pay my new attorney to retrieve them from the Peterson Law Office on my behalf. To sum this all up, she would be the very last person I would seek help from in a legal matter. The only reasons to hire her are if you aren't serious about winning your case, if you have thousands of dollars to throw out the window, and if you have plenty of time to waste.

I hired Kassi Horner as my divorce attorney in 2013. I am writing this review because my experience with her is completely different from the other 2 reviews on the website. Ms Horner was extremely response and covered all of the detail of the divorce in a timely manner. She also added a precautionary component to the divorce suite that had not occurred to me.

I hired Kassi Horner to handle a custody issue. I went in and asked her if she would be an aggressive attorney which is what I wanted and needed. She said yes I felt confident that she would get the job done. I signed all paper work and paid the retainer well in the paper work was apparently a non-refundable retainer agreement. ( I did not know this). It would take 5-6 calls to finally get her on the phone to find out what was going on. Every time I talked to her she would say she was just waiting on the other attorney. That was the response I got every time I finally got her on the phone. Another issue came up where I needed an attorney asap and against my better judgement I called Mrs. Horner and the only reason I did that is because she had over $1800 of my original retainer. I spoke to her told her the issue and she said she could help but I would have to put down another $3000 retainer…I asked why because she had the rest of the original retainer. She said it was a new case and I couldn’t use it. I was told that the original retainer could only be used on the one case. I tried to call Mrs Horner 4 times to let her know of a meeting with my daughter’s dad ( the first custody case which the retainer was paid on)and his attorney she never responded so I ended up meeting with them by myself and settling everything. When asked if I could get the retainer back she said no. So now they are holding over $1800 of a $3000 retainer (goes to show how much work was not done in a year). Stay away!!!

I retained Ms. Horner to represent me in a case to modify my divorce decree which was a motion filed by my ex-husband. Later this case turned into a child custody hearing. During that time Ms. Horner was extremely difficult to correspond with or reach by phone. When the case turned into a child custody case, Ms. Horner assured me that my ex-husband was NOT trying to get custody of my child. He was simply using that as a "threat" in order to get what he really wanted which was to change our meeting place for visitation. She claims to be "child custody" attorney so I trusted her to know what she was talking about. SHE WAS WRONG!! The few times I was able to reach her, she consistently gave poor counsel and in the end did not accomplish the job she was hired to do. I ended up having to hire another attorney and thankfully won my case. The judge ordered Ms. Horner to turn over all original documents to me which she never did. I had to pay my new attorney to retrieve them from the Peterson Law Office on my behalf. To sum this all up, she would be the very last person I would seek help from in a legal matter. The only reasons to hire her are if you aren't serious about winning your case, if you have thousands of dollars to throw out the window, and if you have plenty of time to waste.

I hired Kassi Horner as my divorce attorney in 2013. I am writing this review because my experience with her is completely different from the other 2 reviews on the website. Ms Horner was extremely response and covered all of the detail of the divorce in a timely manner. She also added a precautionary component to the divorce suite that had not occurred to me.

I hired Kassi Horner to handle a custody issue. I went in and asked her if she would be an aggressive attorney which is what I wanted and needed. She said yes I felt confident that she would get the job done. I signed all paper work and paid the retainer well in the paper work was apparently a non-refundable retainer agreement. ( I did not know this). It would take 5-6 calls to finally get her on the phone to find out what was going on. Every time I talked to her she would say she was just waiting on the other attorney. That was the response I got every time I finally got her on the phone. Another issue came up where I needed an attorney asap and against my better judgement I called Mrs. Horner and the only reason I did that is because she had over $1800 of my original retainer. I spoke to her told her the issue and she said she could help but I would have to put down another $3000 retainer…I asked why because she had the rest of the original retainer. She said it was a new case and I couldn’t use it. I was told that the original retainer could only be used on the one case. I tried to call Mrs Horner 4 times to let her know of a meeting with my daughter’s dad ( the first custody case which the retainer was paid on)and his attorney she never responded so I ended up meeting with them by myself and settling everything. When asked if I could get the retainer back she said no. So now they are holding over $1800 of a $3000 retainer (goes to show how much work was not done in a year). Stay away!!!

I retained Ms. Horner to represent me in a case to modify my divorce decree which was a motion filed by my ex-husband. Later this case turned into a child custody hearing. During that time Ms. Horner was extremely difficult to correspond with or reach by phone. When the case turned into a child custody case, Ms. Horner assured me that my ex-husband was NOT trying to get custody of my child. He was simply using that as a "threat" in order to get what he really wanted which was to change our meeting place for visitation. She claims to be "child custody" attorney so I trusted her to know what she was talking about. SHE WAS WRONG!! The few times I was able to reach her, she consistently gave poor counsel and in the end did not accomplish the job she was hired to do. I ended up having to hire another attorney and thankfully won my case. The judge ordered Ms. Horner to turn over all original documents to me which she never did. I had to pay my new attorney to retrieve them from the Peterson Law Office on my behalf. To sum this all up, she would be the very last person I would seek help from in a legal matter. The only reasons to hire her are if you aren't serious about winning your case, if you have thousands of dollars to throw out the window, and if you have plenty of time to waste.

I hired Kassi Horner as my divorce attorney in 2013. I am writing this review because my experience with her is completely different from the other 2 reviews on the website. Ms Horner was extremely response and covered all of the detail of the divorce in a timely manner. She also added a precautionary component to the divorce suite that had not occurred to me.

I hired Kassi Horner to handle a custody issue. I went in and asked her if she would be an aggressive attorney which is what I wanted and needed. She said yes I felt confident that she would get the job done. I signed all paper work and paid the retainer well in the paper work was apparently a non-refundable retainer agreement. ( I did not know this). It would take 5-6 calls to finally get her on the phone to find out what was going on. Every time I talked to her she would say she was just waiting on the other attorney. That was the response I got every time I finally got her on the phone. Another issue came up where I needed an attorney asap and against my better judgement I called Mrs. Horner and the only reason I did that is because she had over $1800 of my original retainer. I spoke to her told her the issue and she said she could help but I would have to put down another $3000 retainer…I asked why because she had the rest of the original retainer. She said it was a new case and I couldn’t use it. I was told that the original retainer could only be used on the one case. I tried to call Mrs Horner 4 times to let her know of a meeting with my daughter’s dad ( the first custody case which the retainer was paid on)and his attorney she never responded so I ended up meeting with them by myself and settling everything. When asked if I could get the retainer back she said no. So now they are holding over $1800 of a $3000 retainer (goes to show how much work was not done in a year). Stay away!!!

I retained Ms. Horner to represent me in a case to modify my divorce decree which was a motion filed by my ex-husband. Later this case turned into a child custody hearing. During that time Ms. Horner was extremely difficult to correspond with or reach by phone. When the case turned into a child custody case, Ms. Horner assured me that my ex-husband was NOT trying to get custody of my child. He was simply using that as a "threat" in order to get what he really wanted which was to change our meeting place for visitation. She claims to be "child custody" attorney so I trusted her to know what she was talking about. SHE WAS WRONG!! The few times I was able to reach her, she consistently gave poor counsel and in the end did not accomplish the job she was hired to do. I ended up having to hire another attorney and thankfully won my case. The judge ordered Ms. Horner to turn over all original documents to me which she never did. I had to pay my new attorney to retrieve them from the Peterson Law Office on my behalf. To sum this all up, she would be the very last person I would seek help from in a legal matter. The only reasons to hire her are if you aren't serious about winning your case, if you have thousands of dollars to throw out the window, and if you have plenty of time to waste.

I hired Kassi Horner as my divorce attorney in 2013. I am writing this review because my experience with her is completely different from the other 2 reviews on the website. Ms Horner was extremely response and covered all of the detail of the divorce in a timely manner. She also added a precautionary component to the divorce suite that had not occurred to me.

I hired Kassi Horner to handle a custody issue. I went in and asked her if she would be an aggressive attorney which is what I wanted and needed. She said yes I felt confident that she would get the job done. I signed all paper work and paid the retainer well in the paper work was apparently a non-refundable retainer agreement. ( I did not know this). It would take 5-6 calls to finally get her on the phone to find out what was going on. Every time I talked to her she would say she was just waiting on the other attorney. That was the response I got every time I finally got her on the phone. Another issue came up where I needed an attorney asap and against my better judgement I called Mrs. Horner and the only reason I did that is because she had over $1800 of my original retainer. I spoke to her told her the issue and she said she could help but I would have to put down another $3000 retainer…I asked why because she had the rest of the original retainer. She said it was a new case and I couldn’t use it. I was told that the original retainer could only be used on the one case. I tried to call Mrs Horner 4 times to let her know of a meeting with my daughter’s dad ( the first custody case which the retainer was paid on)and his attorney she never responded so I ended up meeting with them by myself and settling everything. When asked if I could get the retainer back she said no. So now they are holding over $1800 of a $3000 retainer (goes to show how much work was not done in a year). Stay away!!!

I retained Ms. Horner to represent me in a case to modify my divorce decree which was a motion filed by my ex-husband. Later this case turned into a child custody hearing. During that time Ms. Horner was extremely difficult to correspond with or reach by phone. When the case turned into a child custody case, Ms. Horner assured me that my ex-husband was NOT trying to get custody of my child. He was simply using that as a "threat" in order to get what he really wanted which was to change our meeting place for visitation. She claims to be "child custody" attorney so I trusted her to know what she was talking about. SHE WAS WRONG!! The few times I was able to reach her, she consistently gave poor counsel and in the end did not accomplish the job she was hired to do. I ended up having to hire another attorney and thankfully won my case. The judge ordered Ms. Horner to turn over all original documents to me which she never did. I had to pay my new attorney to retrieve them from the Peterson Law Office on my behalf. To sum this all up, she would be the very last person I would seek help from in a legal matter. The only reasons to hire her are if you aren't serious about winning your case, if you have thousands of dollars to throw out the window, and if you have plenty of time to waste.

I hired Kassi Horner as my divorce attorney in 2013. I am writing this review because my experience with her is completely different from the other 2 reviews on the website. Ms Horner was extremely response and covered all of the detail of the divorce in a timely manner. She also added a precautionary component to the divorce suite that had not occurred to me.

I hired Kassi Horner to handle a custody issue. I went in and asked her if she would be an aggressive attorney which is what I wanted and needed. She said yes I felt confident that she would get the job done. I signed all paper work and paid the retainer well in the paper work was apparently a non-refundable retainer agreement. ( I did not know this). It would take 5-6 calls to finally get her on the phone to find out what was going on. Every time I talked to her she would say she was just waiting on the other attorney. That was the response I got every time I finally got her on the phone. Another issue came up where I needed an attorney asap and against my better judgement I called Mrs. Horner and the only reason I did that is because she had over $1800 of my original retainer. I spoke to her told her the issue and she said she could help but I would have to put down another $3000 retainer…I asked why because she had the rest of the original retainer. She said it was a new case and I couldn’t use it. I was told that the original retainer could only be used on the one case. I tried to call Mrs Horner 4 times to let her know of a meeting with my daughter’s dad ( the first custody case which the retainer was paid on)and his attorney she never responded so I ended up meeting with them by myself and settling everything. When asked if I could get the retainer back she said no. So now they are holding over $1800 of a $3000 retainer (goes to show how much work was not done in a year). Stay away!!!

I retained Ms. Horner to represent me in a case to modify my divorce decree which was a motion filed by my ex-husband. Later this case turned into a child custody hearing. During that time Ms. Horner was extremely difficult to correspond with or reach by phone. When the case turned into a child custody case, Ms. Horner assured me that my ex-husband was NOT trying to get custody of my child. He was simply using that as a "threat" in order to get what he really wanted which was to change our meeting place for visitation. She claims to be "child custody" attorney so I trusted her to know what she was talking about. SHE WAS WRONG!! The few times I was able to reach her, she consistently gave poor counsel and in the end did not accomplish the job she was hired to do. I ended up having to hire another attorney and thankfully won my case. The judge ordered Ms. Horner to turn over all original documents to me which she never did. I had to pay my new attorney to retrieve them from the Peterson Law Office on my behalf. To sum this all up, she would be the very last person I would seek help from in a legal matter. The only reasons to hire her are if you aren't serious about winning your case, if you have thousands of dollars to throw out the window, and if you have plenty of time to waste.

I hired Kassi Horner as my divorce attorney in 2013. I am writing this review because my experience with her is completely different from the other 2 reviews on the website. Ms Horner was extremely response and covered all of the detail of the divorce in a timely manner. She also added a precautionary component to the divorce suite that had not occurred to me.

I hired Kassi Horner to handle a custody issue. I went in and asked her if she would be an aggressive attorney which is what I wanted and needed. She said yes I felt confident that she would get the job done. I signed all paper work and paid the retainer well in the paper work was apparently a non-refundable retainer agreement. ( I did not know this). It would take 5-6 calls to finally get her on the phone to find out what was going on. Every time I talked to her she would say she was just waiting on the other attorney. That was the response I got every time I finally got her on the phone. Another issue came up where I needed an attorney asap and against my better judgement I called Mrs. Horner and the only reason I did that is because she had over $1800 of my original retainer. I spoke to her told her the issue and she said she could help but I would have to put down another $3000 retainer…I asked why because she had the rest of the original retainer. She said it was a new case and I couldn’t use it. I was told that the original retainer could only be used on the one case. I tried to call Mrs Horner 4 times to let her know of a meeting with my daughter’s dad ( the first custody case which the retainer was paid on)and his attorney she never responded so I ended up meeting with them by myself and settling everything. When asked if I could get the retainer back she said no. So now they are holding over $1800 of a $3000 retainer (goes to show how much work was not done in a year). Stay away!!!

I retained Ms. Horner to represent me in a case to modify my divorce decree which was a motion filed by my ex-husband. Later this case turned into a child custody hearing. During that time Ms. Horner was extremely difficult to correspond with or reach by phone. When the case turned into a child custody case, Ms. Horner assured me that my ex-husband was NOT trying to get custody of my child. He was simply using that as a "threat" in order to get what he really wanted which was to change our meeting place for visitation. She claims to be "child custody" attorney so I trusted her to know what she was talking about. SHE WAS WRONG!! The few times I was able to reach her, she consistently gave poor counsel and in the end did not accomplish the job she was hired to do. I ended up having to hire another attorney and thankfully won my case. The judge ordered Ms. Horner to turn over all original documents to me which she never did. I had to pay my new attorney to retrieve them from the Peterson Law Office on my behalf. To sum this all up, she would be the very last person I would seek help from in a legal matter. The only reasons to hire her are if you aren't serious about winning your case, if you have thousands of dollars to throw out the window, and if you have plenty of time to waste.

I hired Kassi Horner as my divorce attorney in 2013. I am writing this review because my experience with her is completely different from the other 2 reviews on the website. Ms Horner was extremely response and covered all of the detail of the divorce in a timely manner. She also added a precautionary component to the divorce suite that had not occurred to me.

I hired Kassi Horner to handle a custody issue. I went in and asked her if she would be an aggressive attorney which is what I wanted and needed. She said yes I felt confident that she would get the job done. I signed all paper work and paid the retainer well in the paper work was apparently a non-refundable retainer agreement. ( I did not know this). It would take 5-6 calls to finally get her on the phone to find out what was going on. Every time I talked to her she would say she was just waiting on the other attorney. That was the response I got every time I finally got her on the phone. Another issue came up where I needed an attorney asap and against my better judgement I called Mrs. Horner and the only reason I did that is because she had over $1800 of my original retainer. I spoke to her told her the issue and she said she could help but I would have to put down another $3000 retainer…I asked why because she had the rest of the original retainer. She said it was a new case and I couldn’t use it. I was told that the original retainer could only be used on the one case. I tried to call Mrs Horner 4 times to let her know of a meeting with my daughter’s dad ( the first custody case which the retainer was paid on)and his attorney she never responded so I ended up meeting with them by myself and settling everything. When asked if I could get the retainer back she said no. So now they are holding over $1800 of a $3000 retainer (goes to show how much work was not done in a year). Stay away!!!

I retained Ms. Horner to represent me in a case to modify my divorce decree which was a motion filed by my ex-husband. Later this case turned into a child custody hearing. During that time Ms. Horner was extremely difficult to correspond with or reach by phone. When the case turned into a child custody case, Ms. Horner assured me that my ex-husband was NOT trying to get custody of my child. He was simply using that as a "threat" in order to get what he really wanted which was to change our meeting place for visitation. She claims to be "child custody" attorney so I trusted her to know what she was talking about. SHE WAS WRONG!! The few times I was able to reach her, she consistently gave poor counsel and in the end did not accomplish the job she was hired to do. I ended up having to hire another attorney and thankfully won my case. The judge ordered Ms. Horner to turn over all original documents to me which she never did. I had to pay my new attorney to retrieve them from the Peterson Law Office on my behalf. To sum this all up, she would be the very last person I would seek help from in a legal matter. The only reasons to hire her are if you aren't serious about winning your case, if you have thousands of dollars to throw out the window, and if you have plenty of time to waste.

I hired Kassi Horner as my divorce attorney in 2013. I am writing this review because my experience with her is completely different from the other 2 reviews on the website. Ms Horner was extremely response and covered all of the detail of the divorce in a timely manner. She also added a precautionary component to the divorce suite that had not occurred to me.

I hired Kassi Horner to handle a custody issue. I went in and asked her if she would be an aggressive attorney which is what I wanted and needed. She said yes I felt confident that she would get the job done. I signed all paper work and paid the retainer well in the paper work was apparently a non-refundable retainer agreement. ( I did not know this). It would take 5-6 calls to finally get her on the phone to find out what was going on. Every time I talked to her she would say she was just waiting on the other attorney. That was the response I got every time I finally got her on the phone. Another issue came up where I needed an attorney asap and against my better judgement I called Mrs. Horner and the only reason I did that is because she had over $1800 of my original retainer. I spoke to her told her the issue and she said she could help but I would have to put down another $3000 retainer…I asked why because she had the rest of the original retainer. She said it was a new case and I couldn’t use it. I was told that the original retainer could only be used on the one case. I tried to call Mrs Horner 4 times to let her know of a meeting with my daughter’s dad ( the first custody case which the retainer was paid on)and his attorney she never responded so I ended up meeting with them by myself and settling everything. When asked if I could get the retainer back she said no. So now they are holding over $1800 of a $3000 retainer (goes to show how much work was not done in a year). Stay away!!!

I retained Ms. Horner to represent me in a case to modify my divorce decree which was a motion filed by my ex-husband. Later this case turned into a child custody hearing. During that time Ms. Horner was extremely difficult to correspond with or reach by phone. When the case turned into a child custody case, Ms. Horner assured me that my ex-husband was NOT trying to get custody of my child. He was simply using that as a "threat" in order to get what he really wanted which was to change our meeting place for visitation. She claims to be "child custody" attorney so I trusted her to know what she was talking about. SHE WAS WRONG!! The few times I was able to reach her, she consistently gave poor counsel and in the end did not accomplish the job she was hired to do. I ended up having to hire another attorney and thankfully won my case. The judge ordered Ms. Horner to turn over all original documents to me which she never did. I had to pay my new attorney to retrieve them from the Peterson Law Office on my behalf. To sum this all up, she would be the very last person I would seek help from in a legal matter. The only reasons to hire her are if you aren't serious about winning your case, if you have thousands of dollars to throw out the window, and if you have plenty of time to waste.

I hired Kassi Horner as my divorce attorney in 2013. I am writing this review because my experience with her is completely different from the other 2 reviews on the website. Ms Horner was extremely response and covered all of the detail of the divorce in a timely manner. She also added a precautionary component to the divorce suite that had not occurred to me.

I hired Kassi Horner to handle a custody issue. I went in and asked her if she would be an aggressive attorney which is what I wanted and needed. She said yes I felt confident that she would get the job done. I signed all paper work and paid the retainer well in the paper work was apparently a non-refundable retainer agreement. ( I did not know this). It would take 5-6 calls to finally get her on the phone to find out what was going on. Every time I talked to her she would say she was just waiting on the other attorney. That was the response I got every time I finally got her on the phone. Another issue came up where I needed an attorney asap and against my better judgement I called Mrs. Horner and the only reason I did that is because she had over $1800 of my original retainer. I spoke to her told her the issue and she said she could help but I would have to put down another $3000 retainer…I asked why because she had the rest of the original retainer. She said it was a new case and I couldn’t use it. I was told that the original retainer could only be used on the one case. I tried to call Mrs Horner 4 times to let her know of a meeting with my daughter’s dad ( the first custody case which the retainer was paid on)and his attorney she never responded so I ended up meeting with them by myself and settling everything. When asked if I could get the retainer back she said no. So now they are holding over $1800 of a $3000 retainer (goes to show how much work was not done in a year). Stay away!!!

I retained Ms. Horner to represent me in a case to modify my divorce decree which was a motion filed by my ex-husband. Later this case turned into a child custody hearing. During that time Ms. Horner was extremely difficult to correspond with or reach by phone. When the case turned into a child custody case, Ms. Horner assured me that my ex-husband was NOT trying to get custody of my child. He was simply using that as a "threat" in order to get what he really wanted which was to change our meeting place for visitation. She claims to be "child custody" attorney so I trusted her to know what she was talking about. SHE WAS WRONG!! The few times I was able to reach her, she consistently gave poor counsel and in the end did not accomplish the job she was hired to do. I ended up having to hire another attorney and thankfully won my case. The judge ordered Ms. Horner to turn over all original documents to me which she never did. I had to pay my new attorney to retrieve them from the Peterson Law Office on my behalf. To sum this all up, she would be the very last person I would seek help from in a legal matter. The only reasons to hire her are if you aren't serious about winning your case, if you have thousands of dollars to throw out the window, and if you have plenty of time to waste.

I hired Kassi Horner as my divorce attorney in 2013. I am writing this review because my experience with her is completely different from the other 2 reviews on the website. Ms Horner was extremely response and covered all of the detail of the divorce in a timely manner. She also added a precautionary component to the divorce suite that had not occurred to me.

I hired Kassi Horner to handle a custody issue. I went in and asked her if she would be an aggressive attorney which is what I wanted and needed. She said yes I felt confident that she would get the job done. I signed all paper work and paid the retainer well in the paper work was apparently a non-refundable retainer agreement. ( I did not know this). It would take 5-6 calls to finally get her on the phone to find out what was going on. Every time I talked to her she would say she was just waiting on the other attorney. That was the response I got every time I finally got her on the phone. Another issue came up where I needed an attorney asap and against my better judgement I called Mrs. Horner and the only reason I did that is because she had over $1800 of my original retainer. I spoke to her told her the issue and she said she could help but I would have to put down another $3000 retainer…I asked why because she had the rest of the original retainer. She said it was a new case and I couldn’t use it. I was told that the original retainer could only be used on the one case. I tried to call Mrs Horner 4 times to let her know of a meeting with my daughter’s dad ( the first custody case which the retainer was paid on)and his attorney she never responded so I ended up meeting with them by myself and settling everything. When asked if I could get the retainer back she said no. So now they are holding over $1800 of a $3000 retainer (goes to show how much work was not done in a year). Stay away!!!

I retained Ms. Horner to represent me in a case to modify my divorce decree which was a motion filed by my ex-husband. Later this case turned into a child custody hearing. During that time Ms. Horner was extremely difficult to correspond with or reach by phone. When the case turned into a child custody case, Ms. Horner assured me that my ex-husband was NOT trying to get custody of my child. He was simply using that as a "threat" in order to get what he really wanted which was to change our meeting place for visitation. She claims to be "child custody" attorney so I trusted her to know what she was talking about. SHE WAS WRONG!! The few times I was able to reach her, she consistently gave poor counsel and in the end did not accomplish the job she was hired to do. I ended up having to hire another attorney and thankfully won my case. The judge ordered Ms. Horner to turn over all original documents to me which she never did. I had to pay my new attorney to retrieve them from the Peterson Law Office on my behalf. To sum this all up, she would be the very last person I would seek help from in a legal matter. The only reasons to hire her are if you aren't serious about winning your case, if you have thousands of dollars to throw out the window, and if you have plenty of time to waste.

I hired Kassi Horner as my divorce attorney in 2013. I am writing this review because my experience with her is completely different from the other 2 reviews on the website. Ms Horner was extremely response and covered all of the detail of the divorce in a timely manner. She also added a precautionary component to the divorce suite that had not occurred to me.

I hired Kassi Horner to handle a custody issue. I went in and asked her if she would be an aggressive attorney which is what I wanted and needed. She said yes I felt confident that she would get the job done. I signed all paper work and paid the retainer well in the paper work was apparently a non-refundable retainer agreement. ( I did not know this). It would take 5-6 calls to finally get her on the phone to find out what was going on. Every time I talked to her she would say she was just waiting on the other attorney. That was the response I got every time I finally got her on the phone. Another issue came up where I needed an attorney asap and against my better judgement I called Mrs. Horner and the only reason I did that is because she had over $1800 of my original retainer. I spoke to her told her the issue and she said she could help but I would have to put down another $3000 retainer…I asked why because she had the rest of the original retainer. She said it was a new case and I couldn’t use it. I was told that the original retainer could only be used on the one case. I tried to call Mrs Horner 4 times to let her know of a meeting with my daughter’s dad ( the first custody case which the retainer was paid on)and his attorney she never responded so I ended up meeting with them by myself and settling everything. When asked if I could get the retainer back she said no. So now they are holding over $1800 of a $3000 retainer (goes to show how much work was not done in a year). Stay away!!!

I retained Ms. Horner to represent me in a case to modify my divorce decree which was a motion filed by my ex-husband. Later this case turned into a child custody hearing. During that time Ms. Horner was extremely difficult to correspond with or reach by phone. When the case turned into a child custody case, Ms. Horner assured me that my ex-husband was NOT trying to get custody of my child. He was simply using that as a "threat" in order to get what he really wanted which was to change our meeting place for visitation. She claims to be "child custody" attorney so I trusted her to know what she was talking about. SHE WAS WRONG!! The few times I was able to reach her, she consistently gave poor counsel and in the end did not accomplish the job she was hired to do. I ended up having to hire another attorney and thankfully won my case. The judge ordered Ms. Horner to turn over all original documents to me which she never did. I had to pay my new attorney to retrieve them from the Peterson Law Office on my behalf. To sum this all up, she would be the very last person I would seek help from in a legal matter. The only reasons to hire her are if you aren't serious about winning your case, if you have thousands of dollars to throw out the window, and if you have plenty of time to waste.

I hired Kassi Horner as my divorce attorney in 2013. I am writing this review because my experience with her is completely different from the other 2 reviews on the website. Ms Horner was extremely response and covered all of the detail of the divorce in a timely manner. She also added a precautionary component to the divorce suite that had not occurred to me.

I hired Kassi Horner to handle a custody issue. I went in and asked her if she would be an aggressive attorney which is what I wanted and needed. She said yes I felt confident that she would get the job done. I signed all paper work and paid the retainer well in the paper work was apparently a non-refundable retainer agreement. ( I did not know this). It would take 5-6 calls to finally get her on the phone to find out what was going on. Every time I talked to her she would say she was just waiting on the other attorney. That was the response I got every time I finally got her on the phone. Another issue came up where I needed an attorney asap and against my better judgement I called Mrs. Horner and the only reason I did that is because she had over $1800 of my original retainer. I spoke to her told her the issue and she said she could help but I would have to put down another $3000 retainer…I asked why because she had the rest of the original retainer. She said it was a new case and I couldn’t use it. I was told that the original retainer could only be used on the one case. I tried to call Mrs Horner 4 times to let her know of a meeting with my daughter’s dad ( the first custody case which the retainer was paid on)and his attorney she never responded so I ended up meeting with them by myself and settling everything. When asked if I could get the retainer back she said no. So now they are holding over $1800 of a $3000 retainer (goes to show how much work was not done in a year). Stay away!!!

I retained Ms. Horner to represent me in a case to modify my divorce decree which was a motion filed by my ex-husband. Later this case turned into a child custody hearing. During that time Ms. Horner was extremely difficult to correspond with or reach by phone. When the case turned into a child custody case, Ms. Horner assured me that my ex-husband was NOT trying to get custody of my child. He was simply using that as a "threat" in order to get what he really wanted which was to change our meeting place for visitation. She claims to be "child custody" attorney so I trusted her to know what she was talking about. SHE WAS WRONG!! The few times I was able to reach her, she consistently gave poor counsel and in the end did not accomplish the job she was hired to do. I ended up having to hire another attorney and thankfully won my case. The judge ordered Ms. Horner to turn over all original documents to me which she never did. I had to pay my new attorney to retrieve them from the Peterson Law Office on my behalf. To sum this all up, she would be the very last person I would seek help from in a legal matter. The only reasons to hire her are if you aren't serious about winning your case, if you have thousands of dollars to throw out the window, and if you have plenty of time to waste.

I hired Kassi Horner as my divorce attorney in 2013. I am writing this review because my experience with her is completely different from the other 2 reviews on the website. Ms Horner was extremely response and covered all of the detail of the divorce in a timely manner. She also added a precautionary component to the divorce suite that had not occurred to me.

I hired Kassi Horner to handle a custody issue. I went in and asked her if she would be an aggressive attorney which is what I wanted and needed. She said yes I felt confident that she would get the job done. I signed all paper work and paid the retainer well in the paper work was apparently a non-refundable retainer agreement. ( I did not know this). It would take 5-6 calls to finally get her on the phone to find out what was going on. Every time I talked to her she would say she was just waiting on the other attorney. That was the response I got every time I finally got her on the phone. Another issue came up where I needed an attorney asap and against my better judgement I called Mrs. Horner and the only reason I did that is because she had over $1800 of my original retainer. I spoke to her told her the issue and she said she could help but I would have to put down another $3000 retainer…I asked why because she had the rest of the original retainer. She said it was a new case and I couldn’t use it. I was told that the original retainer could only be used on the one case. I tried to call Mrs Horner 4 times to let her know of a meeting with my daughter’s dad ( the first custody case which the retainer was paid on)and his attorney she never responded so I ended up meeting with them by myself and settling everything. When asked if I could get the retainer back she said no. So now they are holding over $1800 of a $3000 retainer (goes to show how much work was not done in a year). Stay away!!!

I retained Ms. Horner to represent me in a case to modify my divorce decree which was a motion filed by my ex-husband. Later this case turned into a child custody hearing. During that time Ms. Horner was extremely difficult to correspond with or reach by phone. When the case turned into a child custody case, Ms. Horner assured me that my ex-husband was NOT trying to get custody of my child. He was simply using that as a "threat" in order to get what he really wanted which was to change our meeting place for visitation. She claims to be "child custody" attorney so I trusted her to know what she was talking about. SHE WAS WRONG!! The few times I was able to reach her, she consistently gave poor counsel and in the end did not accomplish the job she was hired to do. I ended up having to hire another attorney and thankfully won my case. The judge ordered Ms. Horner to turn over all original documents to me which she never did. I had to pay my new attorney to retrieve them from the Peterson Law Office on my behalf. To sum this all up, she would be the very last person I would seek help from in a legal matter. The only reasons to hire her are if you aren't serious about winning your case, if you have thousands of dollars to throw out the window, and if you have plenty of time to waste.

I hired Kassi Horner as my divorce attorney in 2013. I am writing this review because my experience with her is completely different from the other 2 reviews on the website. Ms Horner was extremely response and covered all of the detail of the divorce in a timely manner. She also added a precautionary component to the divorce suite that had not occurred to me.

I hired Kassi Horner to handle a custody issue. I went in and asked her if she would be an aggressive attorney which is what I wanted and needed. She said yes I felt confident that she would get the job done. I signed all paper work and paid the retainer well in the paper work was apparently a non-refundable retainer agreement. ( I did not know this). It would take 5-6 calls to finally get her on the phone to find out what was going on. Every time I talked to her she would say she was just waiting on the other attorney. That was the response I got every time I finally got her on the phone. Another issue came up where I needed an attorney asap and against my better judgement I called Mrs. Horner and the only reason I did that is because she had over $1800 of my original retainer. I spoke to her told her the issue and she said she could help but I would have to put down another $3000 retainer…I asked why because she had the rest of the original retainer. She said it was a new case and I couldn’t use it. I was told that the original retainer could only be used on the one case. I tried to call Mrs Horner 4 times to let her know of a meeting with my daughter’s dad ( the first custody case which the retainer was paid on)and his attorney she never responded so I ended up meeting with them by myself and settling everything. When asked if I could get the retainer back she said no. So now they are holding over $1800 of a $3000 retainer (goes to show how much work was not done in a year). Stay away!!!

I retained Ms. Horner to represent me in a case to modify my divorce decree which was a motion filed by my ex-husband. Later this case turned into a child custody hearing. During that time Ms. Horner was extremely difficult to correspond with or reach by phone. When the case turned into a child custody case, Ms. Horner assured me that my ex-husband was NOT trying to get custody of my child. He was simply using that as a "threat" in order to get what he really wanted which was to change our meeting place for visitation. She claims to be "child custody" attorney so I trusted her to know what she was talking about. SHE WAS WRONG!! The few times I was able to reach her, she consistently gave poor counsel and in the end did not accomplish the job she was hired to do. I ended up having to hire another attorney and thankfully won my case. The judge ordered Ms. Horner to turn over all original documents to me which she never did. I had to pay my new attorney to retrieve them from the Peterson Law Office on my behalf. To sum this all up, she would be the very last person I would seek help from in a legal matter. The only reasons to hire her are if you aren't serious about winning your case, if you have thousands of dollars to throw out the window, and if you have plenty of time to waste.